The Marketing Rules Podcast

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The Marketing Rules Podcast, hosted by James Whitelock.

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Why Most RecTech Startups Fail to Scale with Howard Flint

In this episode, James is joined by Howard Flint, a strategist with over 25 years of experience helping HR and recruitment technology businesses scale and realise their full potential.

They explore what it really means to grow from startup to scale-up, the challenges these companies face as they professionalise, and why understanding the problem you truly solve is the foundation for success.

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⁠To connect with Howard:⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardflint/

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Why Candidate Interviews Are Unfair With Steve Lewis

Joining James this week Steve Lewis, Managing Director at HireGuide.

Steve has spent his career at the heart of recruitment technology, from being one of the first employees at TotalJobs, to leading search staffing and RPO at LinkedIn and now driving innovation in interview intelligence.

Steve is now on a mission to transform how interviews are run, helping companies make better, fairer, and more structured hiring decisions.

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⁠To connect with Steve:⁠

⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenlewis75/

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AI Is Killing Your Personal Brand with Glenn Martin

This week James is joined by Glenn Martin: recruiter, talent solutions founder, podcast host, and all-around people person. With over 20 years in the recruitment game, Glenn shares his journey from Glastonbury to building personal and employer brands, the rise and fall of platforms like Twitter (now X), and how AI is reshaping content authenticity.

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⁠To connect with Glenn:⁠

⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/glennnevermindthejobspec/

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Why Olympic Bronze Means More Than Gold with Chris Skelley MBE

In this episode, James sits down with Paralympic judo champion Chris Skelley MBE.

From battling childhood bullying and being misdiagnosed by doctors, to finding strength through sport, Chris shares his powerful journey of resilience, mental health struggles, and ultimate triumph on the world stage.

We dive into the highs of winning gold in Tokyo, the emotional fight for bronze in Paris, and why that medal means more than any other.

Now retired, Chris reflects on sacrifice, identity, and his mission to inspire the next generation to thrive, whatever their challenges.

The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill

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⁠To connect with Chris:⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-hunt-skelley-mbe-ply-73014212b/

Learn more about James and ThinkinCircles:

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From Chatbots to Candidate Experience with Martyn Redstone

This week James is joined by Martyn Redstone, or as many in the industry know him, Mr. AI.

Martyn’s been in recruitment for nearly two decades, with over a dozen years immersed in rec tech, and long before AI became the buzzword it is today, he was already helping recruiters craft smart, responsible automation strategies.

From building some of the earliest recruitment chatbots to running the first AI and automation agency in our sector, Martyn’s been right at the heart of conversational AI.

James and Martyn dig into how technology is reshaping candidate experience, what recruitment can learn from e-commerce, and maybe even peek into that slightly dystopian future where AI talks to AI to find you your next job.

The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill

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⁠To connect with Martyn:⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mredstone/

Learn more about James and ThinkinCircles:

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Live from RecFest 2025 with Stephen O'Donnell

Recorded live from RecFest 2025

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⁠To connect with Stephen:⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenodonn/

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Live from RecFest 2025 with Stephen McGrath

Recorded live from RecFest 2025

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⁠To connect with Stephen:⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stmcgrath/

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Live from Recfest 2025 with Sean Allen

Recorded live from RecFest 2025

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⁠To connect with Sean:⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean1allen/

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Live from RecFest 2025 with Matt Alder

Recorded live from RecFest 2025

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⁠To connect with Matt:⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattalder/

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Bio of The Marketing Rules Podcast

The Marketing Rules Podcast, hosted by James Whitelock, is a show focused on Recruitment Marketing. Produced by ThinkinCircles Ltd, the podcast offers valuable insights, strategies, and discussions on all aspects of Recruitment Marketing.

Each episode features conversations with leaders and influencers in the Recruitment Marketing field, providing listeners with a deep dive into the latest trends, technologies, and best practices. James and his guests explore topics such as recruitment marketing strategies, effective use of technology and tools, candidate experience, employer branding, and the evolving landscape of talent acquisition.

By tuning in to The Marketing Rules Podcast, recruiters, HR professionals, and anyone involved in talent acquisition can stay up to date with the "new rules" for recruitment marketing. The podcast aims to equip listeners with valuable knowledge and practical advice that they can apply to their own recruitment marketing efforts.

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